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    101.162.137.219 wrote: The other vampires will be shocked when they hear that Michael had rose from the dead twice that would have been permantly fatal to Vampires and Lycans.

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    • Maybe.

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    • I don't think they'd see Michael as important compared to Eve, as she was stressed more in BW

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    • Me neither

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    • I mean if Michael will be important to them, it'd be more because he could be used to find Eve

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: I mean if Michael will be important to them, it'd be more because he could be used to find Eve

      Perhaps

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    • After all, it's shown that Michael's blood was able to enhance Marius in such a way, so the vampires would feel that Eve's would be better

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    • Yeah.

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    • Yeah because Michael's Corvinus Strain was in dormit form through generations of humans that along with his Vampire that is near equal terms with his Lycan Strain.

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    • 58.165.178.170 wrote:
      Yeah because Michael's Corvinus Strain was in dormit form through generations of humans that along with his Vampire that is near equal terms with his Lycan Strain.

      Hence why the vampires would feel his blood would be inferior to Eve's.

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    • True but that doesn't necessarily mean his strain is inferior.

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    • But that's not how the vampires will see it

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    • True

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    • Yeah that is true the Vampires will see Michael as inferior because of his Lycan - Vampire Hybrid Corvinus Strain.

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    • Which is a shame that after all these years they still have this racial superiority complex

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    • Yeah since Michael was so powerful I'm not so convinced that Marcus is more powerful just because he was the first vampire.

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    • It's really hard to say since we never got to see much of what Marcus could do prior to becoming a hybrid

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    • True but we also don't know about Michael's true potential

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    • Yeah it's not like he had too much time to learn or experiment with it

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    • Yeah, so I'm thinking that when it comes to hybridization, generation doesn't matter.

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    • Yeah that is I want if they make Underworld 6.  I want to be about Michael Corvin reaching his full Hybrid potential and power that they started to build up from Underworld and Underworld: Evolution.

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    • Then there will be plenty of the vampires who'd resist such a thing

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    • Well with Selene as an Elder they wouldn't have much choice but to accept it.

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    • Careful, it's never that simple. As you and I talked about Viktor's actions in the 3rd film, had Lucian NOT rebelled, it's likely the council membered would have considered removing him.

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    • True but its hard to remove 3 elders who are all united. I think at least David would support it.

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    • Also true, but I believe they'd want to try a non-violent solution (Selene, David and Lena)

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    • True enough

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      True enough

      After all, Lena came from a coven who's more used to peace, while Selene and David have both had their share of the fighting

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    • Lena can see through people and see their past.  So she can see through Michael like she did with Selene.  And she will see that Michael is a good man and he is not a danger or a threat to other Vampires and the Covens.

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    • But I imagine it will a while before Cassius and the other council members accept Michael Corvin into the Coven if he comes back.  Because you know how Cassius is with the old ways.

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    • But it would be nice to see the vampires like Cassius eventually let go of pure race crap and see Michael and his daughter as equals.  Rather then "abominations" or "monstrosities".

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    • Michael is as important as Eve. They need to stick to same characters, not change them. A movie is always a plus when you have the same main characters!!!!!!

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    • Yes that is right. If there is one I do not like about movies and TV shows is when they either keep recasting or killing off great characters that so much going for them. Like Michael Corvin. Unless it is a good recast like they did in the MCU where they had recast Edward Nortin to Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/The Hulk. Or they when kill characters that do not have much going for them like Kraven.

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    • They freaking need to bring Michael back. A character who's been integral to this franchice since its inception only to be "killed" by exsangunation in the latest movie while he's supposed to be much, much powerful to survive that by then? That's like killing off Tony Stark in future MCU installments (before Infinity War) just because the character's no longer important.

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    • Emiya kirei wrote: They freaking need to bring Michael back. A character who's been integral to this franchice since its inception only to be "killed" by exsangunation in the latest movie while he's supposed to be much, much powerful to survive that by then? That's like killing off Tony Stark in future MCU installments (before Infinity War) just because the character's no longer important.

      Ooh great analogy

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:
      They freaking need to bring Michael back. A character who's been integral to this franchice since its inception only to be "killed" by exsangunation in the latest movie while he's supposed to be much, much powerful to survive that by then? That's like killing off Tony Stark in future MCU installments (before Infinity War) just because the character's no longer important.

      If we're to use the MCU analogy I hope you know there were those I spoke to who felt (and this is LONG before the whole Inifinity Gems matter) he could have been killed as early as the 2010 Iron Man 2 film for his foolish arrogance in thinking he was so smart and the arc reactor he made was something so far ahead of its time that it'd be decades before the next guy could could up with anything even remotely close.

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    • It was far ahead of its time.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      It was far ahead of its time.

      That's what the US said in 1945 about the A bomb, that it would be at least 20 years before anyone else comes up with something like it, and look what happened in 1949.

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    • Yeah. I'm not saying Tony isn't arrogant. But he does have an uncommon ability to create things.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Yeah. I'm not saying Tony isn't arrogant. But he does have an uncommon ability to create things.

      Yeah but that is exactly what LEADS to arrogance. Furthermore, the moment you claim that you've created something so far ahead of its time that no one can catch up to for decades, there'll be plenty of people around the world who'll try to prove you wrong.

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    • Yeah that's true.

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    • You're not supposed to make such arrogant claims

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: You're not supposed to make such arrogant claims

      I don't.

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    • Yes that is true but let us not forget that the MCU is a much bigger franchise than Underworld.  It is probably the biggest franchise to date.  But do know what is funny is that Scott Speedman who played Michael in the first two films was nearly casted in the orginal Spider Man movie to play Spider Man and was considered for the role of Captain America/Steve Rogers which is now played by Chris Evans.

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    • 124.185.44.239 wrote:
      Yes that is true but let us not forget that the MCU is a much bigger franchise than Underworld.  It is probably the biggest franchise to date.  But do know what is funny is that Scott Speedman who played Michael in the first two films was nearly casted in the orginal Spider Man movie to play Spider Man and was considered for the role of Captain America/Steve Rogers which is now played by Chris Evans.

      I did not know that for Speedman. And the MCU is bigger because they've had decades of comics just like DC, though as of right now the DCU isn't as impressive.

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    • Not just decades of comics, but MCU has Kevin Feige as their producer. His passion is among the reasons MCU's a gigantic entertainment powerhouse as of now. Which is why the original creator and writers need to take whatever formula MCU has and incorporate them with their own established universe. And also a producer with Feige's level of passion. IIRC, Len Wiseman's busy with Fox's Lucifer Season 3 and Kevin Grevioux doing his thing, so there's that. 

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    • Yeah that is why DC is much better in TV shows in my opinion. Because right now they are making a live action Teen Titans show called Titans. Also when Speedman first tried for acting he auditioned for the role of Robin in Batman Forever I think.

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:
      Not just decades of comics, but MCU has Kevin Feige as their producer. His passion is among the reasons MCU's a gigantic entertainment powerhouse as of now. Which is why the original creator and writers need to take whatever formula MCU has and incorporate them with their own established universe. And also a producer with Feige's level of passion. IIRC, Len Wiseman's busy with Fox's Lucifer Season 3 and Kevin Grevioux doing his thing, so there's that. 

      It really makes me wonder though: once the Infinity War films are done with, will this begin to go downhill?

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    • I imagine it will go downhill

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    • You can only keep a series going for so long before there's wear and tear. We've seen that in the Underworld films. The MCU ones haven't because they're still leading everything up for the Infinity War films, which is what everyone is waiting for.

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    • I do think they will go down after Avengers 3 and 4 because they have already anounced that their are going to be 20 more movies after Avengers 3 and Avengers 4.  This a few of those 20 that willhappen a second solo Spider Man, Guardians of the Galaxy 3,  Ant Man 3, Docter Strange 2, a Black Widow movie and also a 3rd Spider Man movie.  So with projects I do not think the MCU will go down hill any time soon.

      If they bring Michael Corvin back with Selene, Eve and David then they have a chance of bringing the series back up hill at for a little bit longer.  Just enough to make the Underworld TV show Len Wiseman announced along with Underworld 6.

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    • Or, if the creator and the writers can't match up their quality to the MCU level, they could at least look up to those whose movies are sleeper hits. Like those behind the John Wick movies. Low budget action movies with awesome choreography and well-crafted storyline, not just focussing only on making bigger action (or actionized sequel) but digging deeper into the assasination world they already established. 

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:
      Or, if the creator and the writers can't match up their quality to the MCU level, they could at least look up to those whose movies are sleeper hits. Like those behind the John Wick movies. Low budget action movies with awesome choreography and well-crafted storyline, not just focussing only on making bigger action (or actionized sequel) but digging deeper into the assasination world they already established. 

      I never watched the John Wick films, I wouldn't know

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    • My point is that the reason why MCU has not gone down hill is because that they have directors, writters and proders that know what they are doing.  Like the Russo brothers they directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Cival War and they are two of the best movies in the MCU to date.  And they also the ones who will be directing Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers 4.  If the Underworld franchise got directors like these fellas instead of cheap ones like Ana Forester then franchise would be back on track.  And give the fans what they want like Scott Speedman/Michael Corvin's return.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Emiya kirei wrote:
      Or, if the creator and the writers can't match up their quality to the MCU level, they could at least look up to those whose movies are sleeper hits. Like those behind the John Wick movies. Low budget action movies with awesome choreography and well-crafted storyline, not just focussing only on making bigger action (or actionized sequel) but digging deeper into the assasination world they already established. 
      I never watched the John Wick films, I wouldn't know

      It's one of the famous sleeper hits out there. Definitely worth you time watching it, I guarentee you.

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    • 124.186.122.40 wrote:
      My point is that the reason why MCU has not gone down hill is because that they have directors, writters and proders that know what they are doing.  Like the Russo brothers they directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Captain America: Cival War and they are two of the best movies in the MCU to date.  And they also the ones who will be directing Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers 4.  If the Underworld franchise got directors like these fellas instead of cheap ones like Ana Forester then franchise would be back on track.  And give the fans what they want like Scott Speedman/Michael Corvin's return.

      Couldn't have said better. They can tell their story but they must also know what the fans want too. While Len Wiseman confirmed the TV series is in development, they can make the movies canon to it if story is whatever what they wanna tell and inclusive of Michael with much larger role and as a character rather than just a pathetic plot device. Hopefully, both Len Wiseman & Kevin Grevioux have some more tricks up their sleeve to get this franchise better and more interesting. And also their return and more involvment in future sequel/s.

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:
      Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Emiya kirei wrote:
      Or, if the creator and the writers can't match up their quality to the MCU level, they could at least look up to those whose movies are sleeper hits. Like those behind the John Wick movies. Low budget action movies with awesome choreography and well-crafted storyline, not just focussing only on making bigger action (or actionized sequel) but digging deeper into the assasination world they already established. 
      I never watched the John Wick films, I wouldn't know
      It's one of the famous sleeper hits out there. Definitely worth you time watching it, I guarentee you.

      Fine I'll do that in time

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    • You what is weird to me is that people think the Underworld films are alot better than Twilight I am one of them.  But for some reason Twilight has way more films than Underworld.  I know Twilight is based on a novel of books but if the audience did not respond to it has much as Underworld than how come they got more movies?

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    • One tv show that is surprisingly long lived despite its lowered quality is Fairly Oddparents.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      One tv show that is surprisingly long lived despite its lowered quality is Fairly Oddparents.

      What's that show about?

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    • Its about a boy who has two fairy god parents who grant him wishes.

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    • Right now given our reality, we could use such wishes.

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    • Totally true

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    • Believe me, I haven't gone to the cinema for years due to the money shortage

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    • I was thinking use the wishes to make the world a better place

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    • True, but IMO there's no such thing as a 100% selfless person. However big or small, we all have a selfish side.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: True, but IMO there's no such thing as a 100% selfless person. However big or small, we all have a selfish side.

      True but I still think that it would be more appropriate for a selfless wish.

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    • Possibly, but with the way things are now, people are more inclined to look at what's right in front of them

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    • I might wish to be fitter physically and get rid of my problems with math.

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    • I would just wish for to turn into animals like Beast Boy and the Immortality and healing factor of Michael Corvin.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I might wish to be fitter physically and get rid of my problems with math.

      Oh I can help you with the latter, right now I'm more wishing a roommate due to a shortage of money

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    • I doubt you could

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    • Sure I can, I'm quite good with math. The money problem, on the other hand, is far more troubling for me here in southern CA.

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    • Unfortunately I live in Vermont

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    • See this is the problem: being sympathetic to financial problems is one thing, but to tolerate it is another.

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    • True

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    • And unlike the Underworld's vampire needs of a constant life of luxury, I could care less if I live in a ramshackle or not as long as the most basic needs are met. Trust me, it's better that than to deal with those constantly trying to control your life and steering it in a direction you don't want.

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    • Yep that is why Lucian repelled against Victor because he was sick of himself and his brothers in arms being whipped and being used as slaves.  When they did not give them barley anything for what they have done for the Vampires.

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    • If Semira comes back in the next one I want her to fight Michael Corvin.  And for Michael rip her head off like he did with William Corvinus.

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    • I really want to see Michael Corvin meet and interact with the Vampires of the Coven.  Lena, Varga, Cassius and the rest of the Council and to bond with his daughter Eve Corvin.

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    • I would love it if Varga tries to show off to Michael Corvin that he better than him.  And Michael teaches him a lesson that he will never forget.

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    • And if that happens in the next movie I will laugh.

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    • I think it would be good if they Michael a sense of humor in the next movie.

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    • Because these movies have not really had a sence of humor. So I think it would be nice to have some humor in it. But too much or over the top. Because it is still supossed to be a horror action movie.

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    • 123.211.67.122 wrote:
      I would love it if Varga tries to show off to Michael Corvin that he better than him.  And Michael teaches him a lesson that he will never forget.


      That wouldn't be hard to picture on Vargas's part, given that most vampires still believe in their superiority over the lycans, even in the case of a hybrid

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    • Yeah I think Cassius will think of himself above Michael too. Because of his Status in the Coven. But they both have to remember that Selene is their Elder now. And if Selene treats Michael with respect and equal status then Varga and Cassius will have to as well. Whether they like it or not.

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    • I am curious to see how Michael Corvin would get to the covens. Will he be trying find out on what happended to Selene and taking names and kicking ass or will he find the covens by accident?

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    • How do you think Michael Corvin will find the Covens Hulk10 and Psi-ragnarok?

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    • I think that Michael would get into a brawl with a group of Lycans and tge track it down and break it up then they take Michael in for questioning and when he sees Selene he is going to be to see Selene as a Vampire Elder just as much as Selene is going to be surprized to see Michael alive and well.

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    • 123.211.145.41 wrote:

      How do you think Michael Corvin will find the Covens Hulk10 and Psi-ragnarok?

      You have to remember Michael can use the blood memories too. All he needs to do is come across a vampire, the rest is self explanatory

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    • I agree that he can probably use blood memories so he could find the covens.

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    • The Q here is can he find the RIGHT vampire. Remember, by the end of BW, only the Eastern and Nordic coven are left.

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    • Michael could get into a fight with some Lycans and it could get the attention of the vampires. And when they get their and the fight is over. And they have seen something they have never seen before and they report to Selene. And Selene gives an order to track it down. And Selene goes with them and when they finnaly find it to her surprize it is none other than Michael. And then they take him to the Coven.

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    • That's acceptable, but again it depends on if these vampires will finally reject Viktor's ways

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    • It won't really matter now because Selene is now an Elder. And unlike Victor Selene has the support of both of the other Elders. So when you look at like this then it should not probably matter if Michael is brought in. Plus Eve is now currently living at the Coven. So they are probably kind of use to having a Hybrid among them.

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    • 101.162.24.121 wrote:
      It won't really matter now because Selene is now an Elder. And unlike Victor Selene has the support of both of the other Elders. So when you look at like this then it should not probably matter if Michael is brought in. Plus Eve is now currently living at the Coven. So they are probably kind of use to having a Hybrid among them.

      You have to remember the racial purity is something that's been part of the vampires for centuries. They're not going to just give that up so easily.

      It's like the KKK today. Sure the Civil Rights era happened 50 years ago, but the white superiority mentality is still in them today.

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    • Yes but one of the vampire traits is obey what their Elders tell them. And with Selene an elder and with David and Lena who are also elders and also have trust in Selene they will have no choose but to accept Michael Corvin and Eve in the Coven. It will be hard for them to accept because has you have just said some of them still have the old and race purity ways. Like Cassius.

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    • Which is why in the immediate aftermath of BW Selene would need to turn her attention to explaining VIktor's flaws

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    • Yeah because Victor had convinced the other vampires that Hybrids like Michael Corvin and all Lycans like Lucian were just abominations and animals. And not as equals or a high status like the Vampires are. And that Victor had lied to them for centuries and that they killed her family.

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    • Yeah but these things take time. Just look at the whole white power concept. The civil war's aftermath in 1865 was specifically meant to bring African Americans on equal terms with whites, yet by the 1960s there was still plenty of rioting as southern whites still saw themselves high status and the African Americans as mindless animals.

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    • Yes that is true it will take time. But time is something they have got plenty of. Because they are immortal. And so it might take a while but eventually they will accept Victors death and accept Michael and Eve Corvin as equals rather than abominations that Victor claimed.

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    • Yes and that is ultimately what the ending of BW should represent: that after so many years, Viktor's shadow will finally fade.

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    • Yes it would be a fresh start on Selene and the other vampires. And it would be a fresh start for Michael Corvin (if he comes back) and for Eve.

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    • That's what should happen, but after listening to Viktor for so long, let's just say for those vampires, such change isn't easy

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    • It will take time. But with the right stuff I think Selene will win them over. And same goes for Michael and Eve Corvin.

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    • That's what I'm hoping for too, but even if she can, there's still the problem with the Lycans. All you have to do is look at our history. Even today, there's still more than enough African Americans who'll never forgive what the southern whites did to them in the past.

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    • Yes that is true.

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    • So it'd be no different with the Lycans. All you have to do is look at the 3rd film. Even before Lucian's rebellion, there were those amongst the vampires who felt Viktor's treatment of the lycans was wrong, but when the rebellion happened, they were killed all the same by the lycans.

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    • Yeah because I found that scene where the vampire council members that said "aye" for Sonja's death shitted themselves when the werewolves surrounded them and ripped them apart. Everytime I see that scene I say "Aye that you bitches".

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    • That's the whole racial purity concept they've had. Even the ones who didn't agree with how Viktor was treating the lycans believed in that.

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    • Yeah but Michael and Eve can show the vampires how great and affective it is when 2 races worked together rather than fighting eachother.

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    • Yeah but it still remains for the vampires to see the lycans in a different light

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    • Yeah it is going to take awhile for the vampires to get past the crap that Victor has told them about most Lycans and all Hybrids.

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    • Not to mention it may take even longer for the lycans to forgive (assuming they ever)

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    • Yeah because Lycans have only seen the most nasty vampires. The only good Vampire that showed any careness for the Lycans was Sonja. And for as for the Hybrids Eve as only seen two good vampires. Her mother Selene and David. And Selene is the only vampire that Michael ever saw good in.

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    • Furthermore I don't think the lycans would accept vampires' excuse that they only did what Viktor told them to

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    • Yeah because they had a choose to like them or not like Sonja did. They only hated Lycans like Lucian and Hybrids like Eve and Michael was because Victor decived them into thinking that they were no good. And they were too afraid to stand up to him like Sonja and Selene did.

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    • Yeah and Viktor being an Elder wasn't a real excuse. The lycans would point out that being an Elder didn't make Viktor a god

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    • Even though he was a vampire deep down inside he was still just a man aand could still be hurt. As proved by Lucian and Michael Corvin that Victor was still man not a "god" and can be hurt. And the thing I have noticed that both times Victor was beaten by Lucian and Selene it was because of his actions. When he was beaten by Lucain it was because he killed Sonja and said he should have crushed him the day he was born but he didn't. And for Selene was because he lied to her for 6 centuries about the death of her family and he was strangling Michael to death.

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    • Yeah in the 3rd film the others on the council would have removed him had Lucian NOT rebelled

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    • Yeah but the councle members of modern council were still loyal to Victor. Semira is still way to obsessed with Victor. But I think a good fight with the Lycan-Vampire Hybrid Michael Corvin will take good care of that.

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    • I'm still not convinced they'd be that easily persuaded

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    • Yeah because if Semira is still alive then she might be able to get some vampires on her side to take out Selene. But the problem for Semira is that is she wants to kill Selene he has go through David, Lena and Michael and Eve Corvin. And plus Selene's powers have been upgraded. So it is going to be interesting to see what Semira does if she comes back for revenge. I think the person she should fight in the final battle is still Michael Corvin.

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    • The problem here is there's few amongst the Eastern Coven who'd listen to her anymore, as she was revealed to be willing to kill her own kind merely for power lust

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    • That is a good point. But maybe she might try to trick the Lycans into working with her to take out her revenge on Selene. But during this Semira gets confronted by Michael Corvin. Then they engage in a awesome fight to the death.

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    • Yes but if that's true then it'd still go against what the vamires stood for (relative to Viktor's views). And it would only prove Semira was obsessed with power, even making deals with the vampires' sworn enemy just to get it. In that respect, once Selene tells her story from all the way back in the 1st film, the Eastern Coven would feel Semira was acting just like Kraven did.

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    • Yes now that you mention it Semira is basically the woman version of because they were Kravening power (see what I did there) with the will to kill anyone who gets in their way. They both hate Lycans and Hybrids like Lucian and Michael Corvin. But the differences is that Semira adores Victor while Kraven does not. And Kraven is doing it for his own benifit while Semira is doing it because of her revenge for Victor.

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    • Yeah but to the other vampires, this is still a matter of power lust. Remember, before David arrived with Amelia's blood vials, Semira planned to kill the rest of the council, believing they were too weak.

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    • Yeah because she thinks high of herself and thinks she is better and stronger than everyone else. But I still want Semira to try that stuff with Michael Corvin when he meets her in the battle.

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    • And there's nothing wrong with that

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    • Yeah there is nothing wrong with Michael giving Semira what she bloody deserves. After killing Thomas nearly killing Selene and who knows who else.

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    • This is the main problem with the whole power lust

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    • Political power anyway. There is nothing wrong with testing your physical limits.

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    • Yeah but political power is like this all the time, it's just that people cover their tracks better

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    • True

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    • Viktor did the same during his reign

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    • yeah and he refused to change

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    • True but that's how it works with most kings, only when the situation becomes untenable do they do something

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    • Yeah if something was out of place or someone broke his rules he would put them to death or whip them. He does not like it when other vampires break the laws but he did not mind it when broke the laws that the people he punishes broke.

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    • Yeah he was such a hypocrite.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Yeah he was such a hypocrite.

      That's how it works with people in power all the time: they make up ridiculous laws and forget you cannot apply them regardless of the circumstances.

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    • Not all people in power make ridiculous laws.

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    • Yeah but the people who don't do such things aren't remembered as well

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    • Many of the US presidents weren't like that

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    • Sorry I tend to remember the ones who were too ambitious with the whole imperial expansion

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    • Yeah I think we can all agree that some goverments leaders are good like how Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was govener of Californa. Or bit of a bad one like Donald Trump who is currently President of the USA. Same with these movies who have got good leaders like Lucian and Selene. Or bad or selfish leaders like Marius and Victor. Just like how there are good civilians like Michael Corvin and Dective Sebastian. And bad ones like Quint Lane.

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    • Yeah Sebastian was more sympathetic to the vampires because he was able to see beyond just "not being human must mean a monster."

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    • Yeah he saw just because someone (his wife) is a Vampire does not mean you are savage waiting to kill. Just like how Sonja saw from Lucian that Lycans are not just animals that her father Victor claimed. And how Selene saw through her Lover Michael Corvin and her daughter Eve Corvin that Hybrids are monstorities and abominations that Victor also claimed. It would be awesome if Michael comes back in Underworld 6 and teams up with Dective Sebastian. Just like how he joined Selene to rescue Eve with David.

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    • Possibly, but I'm unsure how Sebastian saw the lycans. It's possible his view of them is different.

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    • Yeah buf if Michael says he is looking for someone named Selene then Sebastian might consider helping him. But before he does Michael has to convince him that he is not a bad guy first. When Michael does by saving his life from a pack of Lycans maybe. Then Dective Sebastian agrees to help him find Selene.

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    • Possibly, but that'll depend on why the lycans want Sebastian in the first place

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    • Maybe they could have been the very few Lycnas that surived the battle at Antigen. And they knew that he helped Selene get Eve out. Then Michael hears this then he sees them attacking Sebastian. And then Corvin saves him.

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    • A possibility, but it still has to depend on Sebastian's view of the lycans. If you read the novelization for the Terminator Salvation book, you'd know what I'm getting at.

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    • True but Dtective Sebastian knows Selene. And when Michael says he is looking for Selene he might consider helping might not trust him completly but will help him find Selene to see if he is telling the truth.

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    • True, depends on if the Antigen experiments messed with Michael mentally or not too

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    • Also with the fact his blood was drained from his body by his throat being slit. And if Michael's mentally was messed with then that gives more reason for Sebastian to help him find Selene. Because Selene is most likely the only person to get Michael to calm down a bit and tell him what has happened.

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    • I'd like to propose on how to bring him back in the sequel (if it gets made).

      Sometime after his escape from Antigen and before Blood Wars, Michael went on surviving on his own and becoming a battle-hardened fighter, more aware of his powers especially his healing factor and duration of his ability to come back from dead. He'd likely engaging in repeated but controlled self-harm to test his limits and push them beyond. But he can't live without Selene as she went basically off the grid. Desperate to find her, he planned to draw her out by using Marius, which he'd been tracking during the time. Basically playing possum, he DELIBERATELY made himself captured, got himself exsanguinated, yada yada. He also learned about Eve at that time. Marius definitely had his men getting rid of Michael's body and destroying the place he held him captive while fighting Selene, so that was the time he escaped, killing few scores of Marius's men. After that, he began searching for Eve using whatever's left of Marius's resources. He'd also gain genuine allies in an unexpected way during his search. But things turned south as they discovered a powerful and influential cult consists of humans aiming on mass genocide using bio-tech weapons and the key to stop this weapons is a combination of Selene's, Eve's and Michael's blood. Since Selene thinks Michael's dead now and Michael's busy with the main threat, one of his allies proposed to bring back both Selene and Eve alive by any means necessary, and he'll do it on his own. Selene's involvement is minimal in this part, sort of a side character and this takes place during and after Blood Wars but before the sequel.

      Then the story continues with the ally's search for Selene but she's the main character in this and instead of following the previous part, this story takes place at the begining of the sequel. The change of story timeline is deliberate as now it follows through Selene's point of view, in which he's an antagonist, and this is also to flesh out the ally's character and his motivation. Unbeknownst to Michael, this ally has a mysterious connection to the afore-mentioned powerful cult of humans and a hidden motive for seeking Selene. Bringing her isn't gonna be an easy task, let alone using her for his hidden motive. Regardless, he's a man of his word when he said he'll bring her to Michael.

      And that's it for now.

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    • I can see that happening

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    • Me too.

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    • But I'm unsure if the writers will get that creative. Personally I felt BW's storyline wasn't as creative compared to the initial films

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    • Yeah I agree

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    • Meanwhile Hulk10, I'm still waiting to see if you read those articles I told you about

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    • What articles?

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    • Ok I guess you didn't get my message in the other thread. I said if you'd google "Why Chinese parents are the worst," read a few articles, and get back to me (this is because you asked why I still haven't been able to watch Awakening)

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    • Well it sound like a biased article o I think I'll pass.

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    • It's actually not, others have agreed with what those articles have said

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: But I'm unsure if the writers will get that creative. Personally I felt BW's storyline wasn't as creative compared to the initial films

      Well, since the writers aren't that creative, isn't this a place for us to pour out and cultivate some creativity among the fandom?

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    • yeah it is.

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: But I'm unsure if the writers will get that creative. Personally I felt BW's storyline wasn't as creative compared to the initial films

      Well, since the writers aren't that creative, isn't this a place for us to pour out and cultivate some creativity among the fandom?

      And see if the writers take a page from it? Somehow I doubt they'd notice

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote: But I'm unsure if the writers will get that creative. Personally I felt BW's storyline wasn't as creative compared to the initial films

      Well, since the writers aren't that creative, isn't this a place for us to pour out and cultivate some creativity among the fandom?
      And see if the writers take a page from it? Somehow I doubt they'd notice

      No, that's not it. For all I know, the writers be damned on this wiki when it comes to our own creativity. Not that I disrespect them all, it's just they don't deliver what fans like us desire. But maybe that's a different story if this universe has its own official Reddit or something.

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    • They tend not to consider things we picked up on

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    • Well, in them meantime, why not take initiative to pour out & cultivate creativity among the fandom, each & everyone of them, to create good stories? As I've said, writers be damned & let creativity thrives.

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    • Yeah great idea Emiya kirei

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Yeah great idea Emiya kirei

      Well, let's get started then. I've posted on how to bring him back alive. So any suggestions on how to make it better or even rejection on my post? 

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    • Mmm and maybe he could attain a new form similar to Marius's.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Mmm and maybe he could attain a new form similar to Marius's.

      And what can the new form do?

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    • Is far superior to any previous immortal and to Eve in strength and power. And has limitless strength and healing.

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    • That'll only get the lycans to go after it more

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    • But with such power any attempts to capture him would fail. Also any power boost his blood gives would still be temporary

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    • I do not want someone omnipotent, no one is allowed to have that much power

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    • You and I have different ideas as to what omnipotency entails.

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    • True, but let's just say I lived a life where I found a person who has enough power would automatically abuse it irresponsibly

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    • We have a president who does that. But that's political power. I've lived a life of feeling powerless against bullying at a summer camp where I wish I had more power.

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    • Summer camp is only 3 months, Hulk10. Now imagine that happening for more than 25 years NON-STOP

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    • That is awful but I need to point out that limitless strength isn't omnipotence. And you guys did ask what I think he would be able to do. Also it seems that Marius didn't get Michael's powers from drinking Michael's blood. Rather he got a power boost.

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    • I'm not talking about limitless strength. I'm talking about someone who thinks he/she has the right to step on you, put your face in the mud, and thinks that he/she can hold you in this position indefinitely

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    • I know. That was a response to you being against omnipotence and making it clear that limitless strength is not omnipotence.

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    • Yeah, though too often people tend to forget about the limitless strength implies you're all-powerful

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:
      58.165.178.170 wrote:
      Yeah because Michael's Corvinus Strain was in dormit form through generations of humans that along with his Vampire that is near equal terms with his Lycan Strain.
      Hence why the vampires would feel his blood would be inferior to Eve's.
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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Yeah, though too often people tend to forget about the limitless strength implies you're all-powerful

      Only insofar as strength is concerned. But I've made my case.

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    • I understand

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    • And I understand your feelings.

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    • It's a combination of feelings and resentment

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    • I hear yah

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    • So please try to understand if you usually catch me in a bad mood

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    • I understand.

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    • In many ways this is why I'm sympathetic at times to characters that others wouldn't be

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    • I find that I can sympathize with characters that others wouldn't at times too.

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    • But of course there will always be people who are utter jerks who like the jabbing without rationale

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    • Indeed.

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    • What about making even in his Hybrid form Michael retain his intelligence and can speak? And of course his healing should be like 95% Wolverine level.

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    • You don't want his healing to be THAT quick

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    • Why not? Selene & Eve's healing faster than him as of Awakening & Blood Wars, and he was chronologically the first Hybrid so his physical attributes should be much better. And one more, why not make him more self-reliant, especially with more brains rather than brawn? Good is not dumb and taught by experience tropes, eh?

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    • He is already intelligent in his hybrid form. like all Lycans. And I like the healing ability increase added to his limitless strength and new form.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      He is already intelligent in his hybrid form. like all Lycans. And I like the healing ability increase added to his limitless strength and new form.

      If you do that, who'd end up challenging him?

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    • only another hybrid.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.

      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.

      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.

      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?

      Hmm maybe there are others like Alexander Corvinus?

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.

      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?
      Hmm maybe there are others like Alexander Corvinus?

      If that's true we'd have to go all the way back to the virus that ravaged his village. He was the only one who survived, so that would require the virus to have occurred elsewhere in Europe as well

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?
      Hmm maybe there are others like Alexander Corvinus?

      If that's true we'd have to go all the way back to the virus that ravaged his village. He was the only one who survived, so that would require the virus to have occurred elsewhere in Europe as well

      It probably did. I imagine Alexander's village wasn't the only place it occurred in but he may have been the first survivor. There could have been others.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.

      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.

      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".

      Hmm interesting.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.
      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".
      Hmm interesting.

      Hence, he could be the MVP or at least deuteragonist. I'm kinda tired of Selene being the protagonist and story revolving around her and Michael's reduced to meat shield just to develop her alone. 

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.
      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".
      Hmm interesting.

      Hence, he could be the MVP or at least deuteragonist. I'm kinda tired of Selene being the protagonist and story revolving around her and Michael's reduced to meat shield just to develop her alone. 

      I wanna see more of Michael's powers.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.
      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".
      Hmm interesting.
      Hence, he could be the MVP or at least deuteragonist. I'm kinda tired of Selene being the protagonist and story revolving around her and Michael's reduced to meat shield just to develop her alone. 
      I wanna see more of Michael's powers.

      We all do. And also more of his brains over brawn, more refined physical combat skills, etc.

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    • Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:

      Emiya kirei wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      In my long post, remember about one of his allies that went looking for Selene? Well, that ally is was a result of Antigen project on creating Hybrids, but he became something else instead of a Hybrid like Eve or Michael. He became like that between Evolution and Awakening. HIs prominent ability is Wolverine-level healing & regeneration and he initially possesses Viktor-level strength and Hybrid-level speed, senses & reflexes. The difference is that he remains biologically indistinguishable from normal humans, so he's no more as any other humans to ANYONE. Hiding in plain sight, sort of. And he requires lots of food instead of blood for nourishment. Years of training & experiences increases his skills and abilities. Unlike Selene or Michael, his deadliest asset are manipulations & tactics and while he's definitely on their side, they don't want him as enemy. 

      And that's all my imagination. Creativity thrives.

      Cool.
      FYI, I envisioned the ally as a mirror to Alexander Corvinus, albeit a modern and artificial one. Alexander Corvinus evolved naturally after the Plague, becoming an Immortal. And if the Vampires & Lycans are the modern version of "the Plague", then he's the embodiment of humanity's evolution to withstand "the Plague".
      Hmm interesting.
      Hence, he could be the MVP or at least deuteragonist. I'm kinda tired of Selene being the protagonist and story revolving around her and Michael's reduced to meat shield just to develop her alone. 
      I wanna see more of Michael's powers.

      We all do. And also more of his brains over brawn, more refined physical combat skills, etc.

      True

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?
      Hmm maybe there are others like Alexander Corvinus?
      If that's true we'd have to go all the way back to the virus that ravaged his village. He was the only one who survived, so that would require the virus to have occurred elsewhere in Europe as well
      It probably did. I imagine Alexander's village wasn't the only place it occurred in but he may have been the first survivor. There could have been others.

      Yes well that'll depend on just what kind of virus it was

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:


      Hulk10 wrote:
      only another hybrid.
      And how do you expect that "another" one to be made?
      Hmm maybe there are others like Alexander Corvinus?
      If that's true we'd have to go all the way back to the virus that ravaged his village. He was the only one who survived, so that would require the virus to have occurred elsewhere in Europe as well
      It probably did. I imagine Alexander's village wasn't the only place it occurred in but he may have been the first survivor. There could have been others.

      Yes well that'll depend on just what kind of virus it was

      Not necessarily. If Alexander could survive maybe there are others who have that ability.

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    • Possibly

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    • I think its guaranteed

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    • If they choose to go back that far

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    • I suspect they probably won't.

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    • They could if it means to have a way to challenge Selene after BW

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    • And a newly empowered Michael. Not that Michael is inferior in strength to Selene.

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    • Possibly

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    • I don't see how a cocooned vampire is stronger than Michael's type of hybrid.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I don't see how a cocooned vampire is stronger than Michael's type of hybrid.

      Yes. It's just fucked up to see that.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I don't see how a cocooned vampire is stronger than Michael's type of hybrid.

      That depends on how crazy the writer's imagination is

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    • I saw no evidence to support a cocooned vampire being stronger than Michael.

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    • I haven't either, but when you're writing such fictional stories, anything goes.

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    • True enough

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    • Now granted given we've gotten 5 films already, there ARE limits to what you can do right now

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    • Maybe maybe not.

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    • Well if you go too far the fans would find it inconsistent

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    • Not necessarily.

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    • Look at Alien Covenant (I still have to watch that as well). Let's just say after so many years of lore, there were enough fans to point out the inconsistencies in there.

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    • Look at the simpsons and pokemon and explain why they haven't been discontinued?

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    • Hey, I happen to still watch the former. Having said that even I saw the serious quality decline some years back

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    • My point made. I wasn't attacking your liking the simpsons. I was just using it as an example

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    • But the alien series is meant to be taken seriously

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    • That is irrelevant. My point is that things can run on for a long time.

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    • You'd think there has to be an ending to it all

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    • Possibly

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    • Yeah you would think there would be an ending. But take a look at the Star Wars and Rocky franchises they started back in the 1970's and both have more recent movies in the last few years. But with the original actors getting older they are passing it to younger people that will carry the franchise a lot more. Like they did with Creed where Rocky is training Apollo Creed's son played by Michael B Jorden and for him to carry the Rocky franchise over for the future generations with a new younger face honouring the originals. But I also agree there should be an ending to some franchises.

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    • I never got into the Rocky franchise

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    • Air enough but that is just one of my examples of a franchise that has last for a long time. Because the fith Rocky was supose to be the end of then they made a 6th one and finaly made 7 which could lead into more films.

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    • To me it is probably be a while before we have any anoucements on when wether Underworld 6 will be made or when they start making it. A little while longer before they start on the Underworld TV series that Len Wiseman anouced a while back. Even longer when they can say if Scott Speedman and his character Michael Corvin back into the franchise.

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    • Scott Speedman/Michael Corvin is the man and this franchise is nothing without him. You can Kate Beckinsale, Theo James and India Eisley back as Selene, David and Eve. But to make it complete you got to bring back Scott Speedman as The Lycan Vampire Hybrid Michael Corvin. Simple as that.

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    • I felt that the story about Eve in Awakening wasn't really outstanding. It was a pity when they chose to omit Michael in the film in order to focus on Eve. It's really boring when there's no show of Selene & Michael as a pair.

      http://www.comingsoon.net/horror/news/725006-underworld-co-creator-len-wiseman-talks-role-of-michael-in-underworld-awakening

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    • 101.162.156.254 wrote:
      Scott Speedman/Michael Corvin is the man and this franchise is nothing without him. You can Kate Beckinsale, Theo James and India Eisley back as Selene, David and Eve. But to make it complete you got to bring back Scott Speedman as The Lycan Vampire Hybrid Michael Corvin. Simple as that.

      But is he still interested?

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    • Well, he would if the writers have the brains and balls to make his character more compelling, goddamn important to the story and more badass to live up to as the first Hybrid instead of pandering to the leather catsuit fetishes.

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    • You'll have to find other ways for non-hybrids to challenge him

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    • Remember the cocooning ceremony? What if there was something like that for the Lycans?

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    • That actually brings up something that has yet to be explored: we know the vampires have always lived a privileged life, allowing them to develop their own cultues and whatnot, but the lycans never lived anything outside of slavery (prior to Lucian's rebellion) and warfare (when Lucian turned on Viktor).

      I'm just not sure what kind of culture they would have.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: That actually brings up something that has yet to be explored: we know the vampires have always lived a privileged life, allowing them to develop their own cultues and whatnot, but the lycans never lived anything outside of slavery (prior to Lucian's rebellion) and warfare (when Lucian turned on Viktor).

      I'm just not sure what kind of culture they would have.

      Me neither but lets not imply that no nonhybrid couldn't challenge Michael ok?

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    • Viktor was able to because Michael was still new to his powers. William was the only werewolf Michael had difficulty fighting, so as I see it it's likely William was stronger than Viktor if they went toe to toe

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Viktor was able to because Michael was still new to his powers. William was the only werewolf Michael had difficulty fighting, so as I see it it's likely William was stronger than Viktor if they went toe to toe

      True also Michael had just recently revived so he was less powerful than he might have been and William was much weaker than normal due to not having eaten anything for centuries.

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    • Yeah and it's speculated William entered a superior form of hibernation

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    • Maybe maybe not.

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    • Yeah we'd need to see William again via flashbacks to find that out

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    • True

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    • Though I don't see it happening

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    • Me neither there are many additional story angles they could but likely won't take.

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    • Personally I'd want to see what William was like before the whole transformation, so we'd know who's fault it REALLY was for his actions.

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    • Yeah that would be nice.

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    • After all, given Markus's actions in Evolution, it seemed to imply he wasn't as noble as we thought he would be

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    • True but lets not forget that Marcus was essentially insane after learning what had been kept from him all this time.

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    • Hence why it'd be good to see flashbacks and why he went to Viktor in the first place

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    • Indeed I agree.

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    • We don't know if Markus really understood what he was getting himself into

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    • Marius was a dumb fuck he thought to kill selene the legendary warrior selene is able to adapt to everything

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    • This my rate of Villians in these movies. Semira and Marius are in a tie for last place because I can't decide which one is more stupider or messed up. Then Dr Jacob Lane then his son Quint Lane. Then Victor. And for first and second place is Marcus and William Corvinus. What is your rating of the villians in the Underworld Franchise from worst to best?

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    • My cast for Underworld 6. Scott Speedman as The Lycan -Vampire Hybrid Michael Corvin. Selene's Lover and Eve's Father. Kate Beckinsale as The former Death Dealer and current Vampire Elder Selene. Michael Corvin's Lover and Eve's Mother. India Eisley as The Tri Blood Hybrid Eve Corvin. Selene and Michael Corvin's daughter. Theo James as One of the Current Vampire Elder. The son of Thomas and the Vampire Elder Amelia. Lara Pulver as Semira. Michael Ealy as Detective Sebastion. Selene's human ally and friend. Channing Tanniam ( 21 and 22 Jumpstreet) as the new Lycan threat. And Nicholas Hamilton as as a new unknown boy who serves as a Love Interest to Eve Corvin. Clementine Nicholson as One of the Current Vampire Elders Lena. Who serves as the Love Interest to David.

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    • I'm certain that we would have gotten a movie about the purges before Awakening if Scott Speedman didn't leave the franchise. Potentially, that would have probably been the best in the series as well considering how dire the situation would have been. I could see it end as a cliff hangar using the beginning scene of Awakening where Michael and Selene get blasted by that Silver Nitrate Grenade.

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    • That's what pisses me off about Underworld 5 is that the Underworld 4 ended with a cliffhanger that opened to a story where Michael Corvin, Selene and Eve unite and fight together as a family. But what did we get? Selene me a sad mulk about Eve leaving her and Semira trying to get Selene's blood to get revenge on her for being Victor's favourite and Selene killing him for murdering her family. And David finding is the Vampire Elder. And Michael Corvin being killed by an average Joe Lycan when he deafeated William Corvinus the first and most powerful Werewolf ever. So tell me how does all of that fit with the Cliffhanger in Underworld Awakening?

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    • Anna isn’t a big fan of Awakening. T_T

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    • I believe that the director can decide the style and tone of a movie, but the plot is decided by the screenwriter.

      I believe it was a collective decision to off Michael. The director, the producers, the screenwriters... they were all part of the “crime”. XD

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    • 194.35.248.1 wrote:
      Marius was a dumb fuck he thought to kill selene the legendary warrior selene is able to adapt to everything

      That's nothing but a fictional concept in films. No one has that kind of ability in reality

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    • DdandingD1 wrote: I believe that the director can decide the style and tone of a movie, but the plot is decided by the screenwriter.

      I believe it was a collective decision to off Michael. The director, the producers, the screenwriters... they were all part of the “crime”. XD

      I agree it was likely a collective decision but its not funny.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      DdandingD1 wrote: I believe that the director can decide the style and tone of a movie, but the plot is decided by the screenwriter.

      I believe it was a collective decision to off Michael. The director, the producers, the screenwriters... they were all part of the “crime”. XD

      I agree it was likely a collective decision but its not funny.

      I know! I should have used the facepalm emoji with sad tears! Sigh! No words or emoji symbols can express how fans feel about Michael.

      It’s been 2 years since the release of Blood Wars, and we are still here, lamenting the loss of a beloved character. That’s the power of Michael’s character. He’s so well established in the original film and in Evolution.

      😭x a million x a trillion...

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    • Michael Corvin is my most favorite fictional character of all time.

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    • I just find it hard to believe Michael is truly dead.

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    • Hulk10 don't give up hope my friend. If they make Michael Corvin the star of Underworld 6 then to me all is forgiven. If not then I just don't know what to say to them anymore.

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: Hulk10 don't give up hope my friend. If they make Michael Corvin the star of Underworld 6 then to me all is forgiven. If not then I just don't know what to say to them anymore.

      Word.

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    • What's the point in getting up hope? As an old Russian proverb goes. "Hope is the last to die." And for me that hope has already died.

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    • That’s sad, to just let hope die.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: That’s sad, to just let hope die.

      What hope is there? Len Wiseman said he felt he couldn't have Michael and Eve together?

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    • I Just don't understand why though.  That is what the ending of Underworld Awakening left us for Michael Corvin unite with Selene and Eve. Maybe Len Wiseman is losing his touch.
      
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    • If that’s true, then he needs to get re-inspired.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: If that’s true, then he needs to get re-inspired.

      I know its true.

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    • Maybe have him watch the other action films with monster themes, like Monster Squad.

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    • Doubt that would work. He said he felt that he couldn't put them together without doing disservice to their characters.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: Doubt that would work. He said he felt that he couldn't put them together without doing disservice to their characters.

      How is it doing them disservice if they get back together?! Keeping them separated is like Romeo and Juliet or something, only worse because one is alive and the other dead!

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Doubt that would work. He said he felt that he couldn't put them together without doing disservice to their characters.

      How is it doing them disservice if they get back together?! Keeping them separated is like Romeo and Juliet or something, only worse because one is alive and the other dead!

      I don't know.

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    • Feels like what they almost did with other great pairings, like Kataang or Yukka or Jean and Scott or Wolverine and Mariko, etc. You got people that want to see them together, but the creators have to make that difficult for them to be together by involving death and distance.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: Feels like what they almost did with other great pairings, like Kataang or Yukka or Jean and Scott or Wolverine and Mariko, etc. You got people that want to see them together, but the creators have to make that difficult for them to be together by involving death and distance.

      Except Kataang wins out in the end.

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    • Yeah, but in the comics, it was stressed due to the aftermath of the war.

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    • Yeah but we know they had a happy marriage due to Legend of Korra.

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    • Wish couples like Jean and Scott lasted longer than most writers showed.

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    • Me too.

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    • Or would-be couples like Spyke and Callisto from X-Men Evolution.

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    • I guess

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    • One pairing that could’ve worked out if expanded upon was the Alice/Carlos pairing from the live-action Resident Evil series.

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    • Pairings can be a bit of a pain.

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    • Speaking of pairings. I have 2 good fights. Michael Corvin the Lycan Vampire Hybrid vs Blade the Human Vampire Hybrid. And Michael Corvin vs Dracula (from the Blade Series). Who do you think would win in these fights?

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    • Blade and Dracula, hands down.

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    • I agree, but only due to the skills of those two, they would likely be the winners, but Michael is more powerful than either of them.

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    • They are masters of the sword.

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    • True but Michael is stronger.

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    • Yes, but Michael relies on simple brute strength while Blade and Dracula are quick at thought and are able outmaneuver those that rely on strength and speed alone.

      If you rely on your claws and fangs too much, you become predictable. If you expand upon natural weapons with artificial ones (i.e. guns, swords, arrows, poison, etc.), you become versatile.

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    • In the end, strength means nothing without intellect.

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