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  • It seems to me that Alexander was unnecessarily hard on Selene. Sure he had a good point about all the innocents that she killed, but he went too far when he said that Selene was "no different than Marcus and even less noble than William." For one thing Selene was a soldier and she was carrying out her orders, sure she had revenge on her mind but she is still a soldier.

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    • Alexander wasn't entirely guilt free, so he shouldn't pass judgement on Selene.

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    • Just a guy trying to shift blame to whom he thinks is most responsible for how things go from bad to worse.

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    • Huh well he is one to talk.

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    • Selene spoke the truth because of the whole 'sins of the father' aspect to the situation.

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    • True enough. Both had good points. I'm simply saying that Alexander is not as guiltless as he might claim.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: True enough. Both had good points. I'm simply saying that Alexander is not as guiltless as he might claim.

      As someone living for over a thousand years, having to clean up after his twin sons and their repercussions, he's probably learned to lived with it by looking at their lives by detaching himself emotionally.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: True enough. Both had good points. I'm simply saying that Alexander is not as guiltless as he might claim.

      As someone living for over a thousand years, having to clean up after his twin sons and their repercussions, he's probably learned to lived with it by looking at their lives by detaching himself emotionally.

      Yeah but he is still responsible.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: True enough. Both had good points. I'm simply saying that Alexander is not as guiltless as he might claim.

      As someone living for over a thousand years, having to clean up after his twin sons and their repercussions, he's probably learned to lived with it by looking at their lives by detaching himself emotionally.

      Yeah but he is still responsible.

      Yes, and despite his best efforts, he could never do what was necessary to keep the war contained simply by cleaning up after his sons when they were beyond control and toleration.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: True enough. Both had good points. I'm simply saying that Alexander is not as guiltless as he might claim.

      As someone living for over a thousand years, having to clean up after his twin sons and their repercussions, he's probably learned to lived with it by looking at their lives by detaching himself emotionally.

      Yeah but he is still responsible.

      Yes, and despite his best efforts, he could never do what was necessary to keep the war contained simply by cleaning up after his sons when they were beyond control and toleration.

      Yeah, Selene was more than justified in chastising Alexander.

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    • It was as she said it in the film; anything and everything she or anyone else has done could be held against him.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: It was as she said it in the film; anything and everything she or anyone else has done could be held against him.

      Indeed though some people on this wiki seem to think that she was trying to shift blame for her actions.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote: It was as she said it in the film; anything and everything she or anyone else has done could be held against him.

      Indeed though some people on this wiki seem to think that she was trying to shift blame for her actions.

      That's also true, but it also shows that, despite his absence from the world, Alexander is responsible, both directly and indirectly, for her family's deaths at the hands of Viktor.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote: It was as she said it in the film; anything and everything she or anyone else has done could be held against him.

      Indeed though some people on this wiki seem to think that she was trying to shift blame for her actions.

      That's also true, but it also shows that, despite his absence from the world, Alexander is responsible, both directly and indirectly, for her family's deaths at the hands of Viktor.

      I don't think she was trying to shift blame because of a reluctance to admit any fault. But yeah Alexander is responsible, directly and indirectly.

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    • "And what a tiresome duty it's been, keeping the war contained, cleaning up the mess, hiding my family's disgusting history."

      What a tired man Alexander is much of the time.

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    • Still not a reason to scorn Selene whose life was ruined because his sons were monsters and created monsters.

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    • And his use of trying to compare Selene to his sons was messed up, too. Markus being no different from her, and even less nobler than William, who couldn’t control his savagery.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: And his use of trying to compare Selene to his sons was messed up, too. Markus being no different from her, and even less nobler than William, who couldn’t control his savagery.

      Yeah, the person or persons who edited that Selene refused to admit fault didn't probably didn't like her very much, or at least had a very poor opinion of her. You can't compare the 3 of them. Selene had been hurt in the worst way possible, and was rather vengeful but she had a sense of decency. Marcus had no such decency and took his rage out on every vampire and human he came across and William was just a soulless monster who had an insatiable desire to hunt and kill. Unlike wild animals which do what they must to survive, and sometimes avoid killing if they can, William didn't do that, he destroyed entire villages and turned their occupants.

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    • William wasn’t entirely soulless, since he wouldn’t harm Markus. There was some part of him that understood that much.

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    • 2602:304:CE44:ACD0:9C70:2DCD:7A35:8642 wrote: William wasn’t entirely soulless, since he wouldn’t harm Markus. There was some part of him that understood that much.

      Sorry, this was mine, but I wasn't signed in for some reason.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      2602:304:CE44:ACD0:9C70:2DCD:7A35:8642 wrote: William wasn’t entirely soulless, since he wouldn’t harm Markus. There was some part of him that understood that much.

      Sorry, this was mine, but I wasn't signed in for some reason.

      Its fine

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    • Even when he was murdered by Markus, Alexander pretty much told Selene that he wouldn't hate him for it.

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    • Yeah I remember.

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    • It's been quite a while since I've seen Evolution, but I can understand why Alexander would try to pin some of the blame on Selene. He just spent at least 600 years trying to cover for his children. Then Selene came along, practically a baby compared to him, telling him that he had spent the better part of a millennium in vain. I'd resist someone telling me that, even if I knew that they were 100% right. It's hard to look back on your life and see that you spent it wrong. Maybe that's why he killed himself after the conversation with Selene. He knew that she was right, and he felt like it was too late for him to change.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote: It's been quite a while since I've seen Evolution, but I can understand why Alexander would try to pin some of the blame on Selene. He just spent at least 600 years trying to cover for his children. Then Selene came along, practically a baby compared to him, telling him that he had spent the better part of a millennium in vain. I'd resist someone telling me that, even if I knew that they were 100% right. It's hard to look back on your life and see that you spent it wrong. Maybe that's why he killed himself after the conversation with Selene. He knew that she was right, and he felt like it was too late for him to change.

      I'd say you have a point Yellowantphil. However understandable it is that he couldn't bring himself to kill his sons it was still a poor choice in the long run. Of course it isn't Alexander's fault that the vampires enslaved the Lycans but he allowed the werewolf and vampire species to be born and thus is indirectly responsible for the war.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: I'd say you have a point Yellowantphil. However understandable it is that he couldn't bring himself to kill his sons it was still a poor choice in the long run. Of course it isn't Alexander's fault that the vampires enslaved the Lycans but he allowed the werewolf and vampire species to be born and thus is indirectly responsible for the war.

      True, although I could see myself making the same mistake that Alexander made.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: I'd say you have a point Yellowantphil. However understandable it is that he couldn't bring himself to kill his sons it was still a poor choice in the long run. Of course it isn't Alexander's fault that the vampires enslaved the Lycans but he allowed the werewolf and vampire species to be born and thus is indirectly responsible for the war.

      True, although I could see myself making the same mistake that Alexander made.

      I think we all could make such mistakes.

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    • It's human nature to make mistakes; these former humans are no exception from this rule.

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    • Indeed. But its wrong to blame others for your own mistakes.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: Indeed. But its wrong to blame others for your own mistakes.

      But in the end, we all do it.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Indeed. But its wrong to blame others for your own mistakes.

      But in the end, we all do it.

      Indeed. Sad ain't it?

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    • Yes, it is.

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    • Yeah but while Selene has done some terrible things its not right to call her a sociopath.

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    • Sins of the father-based way of thinking.

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    • Yeah

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    • Except that way of thinking will eventually be everyone’s downfall if taken too far and too seriously.

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    • Indeed

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    • Tell me, what about Alexander’s attitude towards Markus when they met?

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