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  • Where we discuss the possibility that Michael is still alive after Underworld: Blood Wars. I suspect that this is the most popular thread this site has ever seen by now, or it's getting close.

    Previous threads: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, Part 4

    The old thread was over 400 posts, so here's a new thread since the current forum software can't split threads into multiple pages, for some reason. I have no idea when they're moving us to the new forums.

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    • To me, the extended discussion here shows that Michael's status is ambiguous, regardless of what the filmmakers intended to portray. I think that the filmmakers' intention was to kill Michael definitively and they botched it, much like Marius thought he killed Michael and he didn't.

      If there's a new film or a TV series set after Blood Wars, it would almost feel like a plot hole if Michael didn't show up.

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    • So long as the brain and organs are still intact, and he can access a blood supply, I’d say regeneration is possible for Michael.

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    • Yeah I agree. Though since blood cells are created in the bones he could eventually make more blood.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: Yeah I agree. Though since blood cells are created in the bones he could eventually make more blood.

      I hadn't thought of that. Could that be why Michael revived while unattended in Evolution? He must have had very little blood in his body after being impaled, but if he was slowly generating more blood, it was only a matter of time before he got up again after being exsanguinated.

      While Michael was hung upside down in Blood Wars, I suppose any blood he generated would just drain out, but if someone cut him down so that he was horizontal later, without destroying his body, then I would expect him to recover on his own after a while.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Yeah I agree. Though since blood cells are created in the bones he could eventually make more blood.

      I hadn't thought of that. Could that be why Michael revived while unattended in Evolution? He must have had very little blood in his body after being impaled, but if he was slowly generating more blood, it was only a matter of time before he got up again after being exsanguinated.

      While Michael was hung upside down in Blood Wars, I suppose any blood he generated would just drain out, but if someone cut him down so that he was horizontal later, without destroying his body, then I would expect him to recover on his own after a while.

      Yeah I think he could have done that. Even if he wasn't cut down if he was left alone for long enough he could recover.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      So long as the brain and organs are still intact, and he can access a blood supply, I’d say regeneration is possible for Michael.

      But you don't know that because we don't know what Marius really did

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:
      So long as the brain and organs are still intact, and he can access a blood supply, I’d say regeneration is possible for Michael.

      But you don't know that because we don't know what Marius really did

      We know he drained Michael of his blood.

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    • I don't think Marius was thorough enough or had enough foresight to take any steps to destroy Michael's body after he thought he was dead. He drained Michael before he knew whether he would need more of his blood in the future, and he let Selene sink under the ice when she looked dead rather than trying to fish her out and impale her or something.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote: I don't think Marius was thorough enough or had enough foresight to take any steps to destroy Michael's body after he thought he was dead. He drained Michael before he knew whether he would need more of his blood in the future, and he let Selene sink under the ice when she looked dead rather than trying to fish her out and impale her or something.

      Yeah and he was thoroughly convinced that Eve was with Selene, which she wasn't.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:
      I don't think Marius was thorough enough or had enough foresight to take any steps to destroy Michael's body after he thought he was dead. He drained Michael before he knew whether he would need more of his blood in the future, and he let Selene sink under the ice when she looked dead rather than trying to fish her out and impale her or something.

      But that depends on just how much Marius knew about what hybrids are capable of.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote:
      I don't think Marius was thorough enough or had enough foresight to take any steps to destroy Michael's body after he thought he was dead. He drained Michael before he knew whether he would need more of his blood in the future, and he let Selene sink under the ice when she looked dead rather than trying to fish her out and impale her or something.

      But that depends on just how much Marius knew about what hybrids are capable of.

      Well clearly he didn't know very much.

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    • It's hard to say. Again, if nothing else, if the next Underworld fic still doesn't include Michael, then I want to see Marius via flashbacks again, to get some more details.

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    • I'd say its very clear he knew virtually nothing about Hybrids and their powers as he didn't make sure he killed Selene.

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    • I wouldn't say he knew nothing. If he really didn't how would he known drinking Michael's blood would even give him anything?

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: I wouldn't say he knew nothing. If he really didn't how would he known drinking Michael's blood would even give him anything?

      Well he knew very little about them. That's my point. He was a bit too impatient and didn't think things through entirely.

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    • Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.

      I doubt we will ever know.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.

      Yes but that's only assuming he knew Michael's blood wasn't going to be enough to destroy ALL the vampire covens.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:
      Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.

      Yes but that's only assuming he knew Michael's blood wasn't going to be enough to destroy ALL the vampire covens.

      Given that he wanted Eve's blood I'm assuming he did.

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    • I'm still confused on something guys. Marius said that Vial of blood was the last of Michael Corvin. Does he mean just the last of his blood or the last of him entirely? Also did hear the sad news is that Kate Beckinsale said she is not doing Underworld 6. First Scott Speedman as Michael Corvin now Kate Beckinsale as Selene.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:
      Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.
      Yes but that's only assuming he knew Michael's blood wasn't going to be enough to destroy ALL the vampire covens.
      Given that he wanted Eve's blood I'm assuming he did.

      And yet he admitted the Eastern Coven was too strong a fortress even for his army

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    • 124.186.242.33 wrote: I'm still confused on something guys. Marius said that Vial of blood was the last of Michael Corvin. Does he mean just the last of his blood or the last of him entirely? Also did hear the sad news is that Kate Beckinsale said she is not doing Underworld 6. First Scott Speedman as Michael Corvin now Kate Beckinsale as Selene.

      I haven't heard that news.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote:
      Marius is a flawed villain; he always tries to take three steps further without realizing that he needs to take one step with both eyes open. But if he kept Michael's body preserved, then he wasn't entirely pathetic.
      Yes but that's only assuming he knew Michael's blood wasn't going to be enough to destroy ALL the vampire covens.
      Given that he wanted Eve's blood I'm assuming he did.

      And yet he admitted the Eastern Coven was too strong a fortress even for his army

      That shows he knew that the temporary boost he gained wouldn't be enough.

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    • Pity Selene won’t be coming back.

      A temporary boost is never enough.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: Pity Selene won’t be coming back.

      A temporary boost is never enough.

      Beckinsdale won't be back, that doesn't mean Selene won't. And yeah I agree.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote: Pity Selene won’t be coming back.

      A temporary boost is never enough.

      Beckinsdale won't be back, that doesn't mean Selene won't. And yeah I agree.

      Where did it say that?

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    • Look it up. Beckinsdale said officially that she has done enough with Selene.

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    • Interesting

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    • But it’s a downer. Kate was beautiful and made the vampire beautiful.

      Anyone think Michael’s actor will return?

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      But it’s a downer. Kate was beautiful and made the vampire beautiful.

      Anyone think Michael’s actor will return?

      Yeah but you have to remember, while Selene is largely ageless, Kate isn't. She was 29 when the 1st film came out, compared to 43 by the time of BW.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: But it’s a downer. Kate was beautiful and made the vampire beautiful.

      Anyone think Michael’s actor will return?

      Maybe, maybe not. I don't care as long as Michael returns.

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    • Kate shouldn't have left the Franchise, U6 more than likely would have been the final film before the TV series.

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    • But we don't even know when the TV series will begin

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    • And the true torment of it is that we have to wait an eternity for it.

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    • I won't wait that long

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    • Yeah, we’ll all be gone by then.

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    • Yeah unfortunately.

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    • Let’s bombard Len with messages of love and hope for the upcoming Underworld TV series. Maybe that will speed things up. XD

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    • DdandingD1 wrote:
      Let’s bombard Len with messages of love and hope for the upcoming Underworld TV series. Maybe that will speed things up. XD

      Wishful thinking

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    • Even wishful thinking is still better than not thinking at all about the future series.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: Even wishful thinking is still better than not thinking at all about the future series.

      This is a golden age for television, a great time to be a fan of TV rather than movies.

      Following a movie franchise is so tough. 😂 It takes forever for the next Underworld movie to come out. The wait for Underworld 5, 2012 to 2016, gosh, those years were torturous.

      For a TV show the interval between seasons is only 1 year. I’m happy and full of hope for the future of Underworld. C’mon, the concept of Vampires VS Werewolves is so intriguing.

      I’ve been doing Underworld marathons lately, well, actually every week, for the past few years, and I sense great potential in the character of Eve.

      Build a series about Eve, get Kate to do a cameo, and bring back Scott as Michael Corvin, and I’ll be the happiest mortal on earth!

      PS: If Kate doesn’t return, fear not. CG animation movies don’t sound like a bad idea! Capcom CG movies Resident Evil Degeneration and Damnation are great examples. It would be great if Kate could lend her voice to a never aging forever beautiful CG Selene. I would slobber at her just like I slobber every time Ada Wong shows up in Damnation.

      SONY has to be able to figure something out, right? I’m aware of the anime, Underworld: Endless War. But c’mon! CG animation on the level of Resident Evil CG films would definitely bring out something truly great for Underworld.

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    • Feels like something out of Family Guy a little. It's not easy to get into television much of the time because not much of anything on the Cartoon Network is good, except for some of We Bare Bears, Dragon Ball and the Ben 10 reboot.

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    • I hate most of the adult themed shows that air on tv.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I hate most of the adult themed shows that air on tv.

      At least you actually HAVE a TV to watch over.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I hate most of the adult themed shows that air on tv.

      At least you actually HAVE a TV to watch over.

      Well then get away from your parents as soon as you can.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I hate most of the adult themed shows that air on tv.
      At least you actually HAVE a TV to watch over.
      Well then get away from your parents as soon as you can.

      It's never that simple

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:
      I hate most of the adult themed shows that air on tv.
      At least you actually HAVE a TV to watch over.
      Well then get away from your parents as soon as you can.

      It's never that simple

      I know but its the best advice I can offer.

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    • I know that, you're not the first to tell me this

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    • Sometimes, the old programs are the best things to look at these days.

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    • I hear yah there and I concur Aggression25.

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    • American Horror Story is fantastic. I recommend. Some dark themes are explored in the show.

      Penny Dreadful is not only dark but also poetic. Recommend!

      Outlander. Tobias Menzies is an amazing actor.

      True Blood. 7 seasons, 7 years. 2008-2014. Gosh, I really miss those good old days of watching the show.

      All of the shows mentioned above are for adults. They can get pretty dark. Underworld fans should have no problem with them. 😍

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    • Hulk10 wrote: I hear yah there and I concur Aggression25.

      Thanks. I’m most likely going to look at the Robotech series on Netflix.

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    • I've been watching Disney's Legend of Tarzan

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    • The old Spider-Man cartoon, VR Troopers, Key the Metal Idol, etc. I love them to pass the time.

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    • I like the 1998 Incredible Hulk tv series.

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    • What about the 1990s Fantastic Four and Iron Man series?

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    • Haven't watched those yet.

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    • You should; sometimes, they leave you wondering if any other characters were still alive.

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    • I don't like wondering that. Just as I don't like wondering if Jane's parents are divorced in the Netflix show Tarzan and Jane.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: I don't like wondering that. Just as I don't like wondering if Jane's parents are divorced in the Netflix show Tarzan and Jane.

      Don't know nothing about that, but I doubt that they're divorced.

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    • Yeah I do too.

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    • I love watching Teen Titans (the original 2003 series not the 2013 Teen Titans GO show and definitely not the abomination called Titans) and 2004's The Batman. Both Beast Boy and Michael Corvin are 2 of my favorite fictional characters of all time. Though I don't really like the show Teen Titans GO but I love the movie Teen Titans GO to the Movies.

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    • 101.162.135.192 wrote: I love watching Teen Titans (the original 2003 series not the 2013 Teen Titans GO show and definitely not the abomination called Titans) and 2004's The Batman. Both Beast Boy and Michael Corvin are 2 of my favorite fictional characters of all time. Though I don't really like the show Teen Titans GO but I love the movie Teen Titans GO to the Movies.

      The original Teen Titans were the best. TTG only does some good with Raven and Starfire looking a bit more childish and attractive (Robin is just plain pathetic, always needing to be in control and everything that his TT incarnation is not). The Batman was awesome, Joker with dreadlocks, nanotech Gearhead, Killer Croc looking more crocodilian than human, etc. what about the original Highlander animated series that only hand like 40 episodes and never got to the last episode where the bad guy and good guy face off?

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    • I hate TTG. I find the Starfire in the original teen titans show was more attractive than the ttg one. I also liked the tta Beast Boy, though he was more childish and stupid than I would like.

      What I liked most about the 1998 Incredible Hulk was that Betty didn't hate the Hulk like she does in the comics.

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    • I didn’t think Betty ever hated the Hulk. It makes me think he was better off with the alien race that was green and had the queen, Jarella, that accepted him unconditionally.

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    • Bruce's mom also favored Jarella.

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    • Hulk10 wrote: Bruce's mom also favored Jarella.

      It seems Betty never sees Hulk as the good guy.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote: Bruce's mom also favored Jarella.

      It seems Betty never sees Hulk as the good guy.

      In comics she rarely does. And she once used Gamma Radiation to turn herself into a green skinned woman with fangs, feathered wings and bird legs known as the Harpy and she tried to kill the Hulk.

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    • That’s just overkill.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: That’s just overkill.

      Well she did.

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    • I liked Betty better when she just accepted the Hulk.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: I liked Betty better when she just accepted the Hulk.

      She does in the tv show I mentioned and she even seems to have some feelings as well.

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    • Hulk10 I don't blame you for hating Teen Titans Go. I really don't like it either. But what is your opinion on Teen Titans Go to the Movies? And your thought on the new "show" Titans if they can call it a show?

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: Hulk10 I don't blame you for hating Teen Titans Go. I really don't like it either. But what is your opinion on Teen Titans Go to the Movies? And your thought on the new "show" Titans if they can call it a show?

      I have yet to see the film, but I doubt that it becomes popular due to how the series is just comedy, not serious and funny.

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: Hulk10 I don't blame you for hating Teen Titans Go. I really don't like it either. But what is your opinion on Teen Titans Go to the Movies? And your thought on the new "show" Titans if they can call it a show?

      I haven't seen either of the latter and don't really want to.

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    • Titans or Teen Titans Go to the Movies? If it's Titans then it is best not to watch it. But Teen Titans Go to the Movies is actually pretty good. It has great fight scenes between them and Slade and the humor is very creative and actually funny. Unlike the show itself. They make a few Marvel references which is really funny and there is tones of good cameos in the movie. Not to sound cruel to the creators of Titans but get all of the copies and destroy them and burn them. Just like how your "Starfire" is if you can call her that is burning guys alive in an ally way instead of her blasting them with non killing green starbolts.

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    • I prefer Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo; it got the goods that made the people smile.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: I prefer Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo; it got the goods that made the people smile.

      Yeah namely Robstar.

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    • Yeah but I love the fact that Teen Titans Go to the Movies was a movie that people were not really looking forward to. But then all of those people ending up loving it. And what's more it has gotten more postive reviews and had a greater score on rotten tomatoes than the other Superhero movies that cane out this year. Including Avengers Infinity War. Just like the cast in the MCU the cast for Teen Titans Go to the Movies is like family. Because they have been playing these characters since 2003 from the orginal Teen Titans cartoon. And all of them have voiced many different incarnations of the characters. By just to save you boys the trouble. To me the good things about Titans is Robin's uniform and Garfield's tiger form. End of list. Bad things. Everything else.

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    • I love Teen Titans Trouble in Tokyo. And if the post credit scene in Teen Titans Go to the Movies is true then we will get a long awaited season of Teen Titans. But if we do get a season 6 I think we will have to wait after the Teen Titans Go vs Teen Titans project comes out early next year.

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    • Thanks to Underworld Blood Wars and Titans 2 of my most favourite fictional characters Michael Corvin and Beast Boy have been ruined for me. I would rather have Teen Titans in the DCEU with a completely different cast. I actually have my own fan cast for the movie.

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    • Raven and Selene, hands down!

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    • Raven struck me as being a bit too quick to smack BB, even though BB could be something of an idiot.

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    • Michael Corvin and Beast Boy. 2 of my favourite make fictional characters of all time. Selene and Raven. 2 of my favorite female fictional characters of all time. 3 out of these 4 characters have been ruined for me. Michael Corvin was ruined in Underworld Blood Wars. Because they killed him like he was the weakest character when he is possibly the most powerful character in the series. Raven and Beast Boy were ruined the "show" Titans if you can call it a show. Because they messed theie costumes big time. They look like a couple of pop kids from a rock star convention rather than super heroes. They BB's Asian when he is suppose to white caucasian male. And he is not green only his hair is green and not even all of his hair is green. And he has take his clothes off to transform or else his clothes rip apart. But Beast Boy didn't have that problem in the comics, Teen Titans, Young Justice, the DC animated films and not even in Teen Titans Go. And I just ask myself. What are they doing? And do not get me started on "Starfire" if can call her that. Selene wasn't ruined for me because they upgraded her and made her more badass.

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    • I just have to say this about Michael now that I've looked at a little more the film The Relic: Michael's a victim and turned into a monster still clinging onto the vestiges of his humanity in a shadow world of monsters.

      There, I said it.

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    • Aggression25 wrote: I just have to say this about Michael now that I've looked at a little more the film The Relic: Michael's a victim and turned into a monster still clinging onto the vestiges of his humanity in a shadow world of monsters.

      There, I said it.

      Sounds like your opinion has changed.

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    • I don't get it.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote: I just have to say this about Michael now that I've looked at a little more the film The Relic: Michael's a victim and turned into a monster still clinging onto the vestiges of his humanity in a shadow world of monsters.

      There, I said it.

      Sounds like your opinion has changed.

      Not entirely. Michael just stumbled into a shadow world where he's become less than human and struggles to survive while trying to retain his humanity.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:

      Hulk10 wrote:

      Aggression25 wrote: I just have to say this about Michael now that I've looked at a little more the film The Relic: Michael's a victim and turned into a monster still clinging onto the vestiges of his humanity in a shadow world of monsters.

      There, I said it.

      Sounds like your opinion has changed.

      Not entirely. Michael just stumbled into a shadow world where he's become less than human and struggles to survive while trying to retain his humanity.

      I see.

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    • Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

      OK, but I think Viktor was like that even in his mortal life. If anything, Viktor effectively gave up his humanity even before he was turned.

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      1.121.130.158 wrote: Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

      OK, but I think Viktor was like that even in his mortal life. If anything, Viktor effectively gave up his humanity even before he was turned.

      Yeah I remember Tanis implied that when he related the tale of Viktor's turning. He described Viktor's life as ruthless.

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

      You became confusing when you called Viktor a true abomination while calling Michael a pure one. What did you mean by that, exactly?

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    • Yellowantphil wrote:

      1.121.130.158 wrote: Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

      OK, but I think Viktor was like that even in his mortal life. If anything, Viktor effectively gave up his humanity even before he was turned.

      He was a ruthless warlord during his human days, which means he abused his power irresponsibly even then. After the turning, it only gave him the mentality that this implied he could do whatever the hell he wanted INDEFINITELY.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote:

      Yellowantphil wrote:

      1.121.130.158 wrote: Yeah but Michael Corvin was the only character was turned from human into an immortal that never lost his humanity. Selene lost alot of her humanity in her 6 centuries hunting Lycans under Victor's lies. But regain alot of her humanity back after she met and fell inlove with Michael Corvin. Some lost their humanity and never got it back like Victor. Once when he was turned he just became more power hungry after being into a vampire and became obsessed with that vampire race purity bullshit and believed humans were nothing and if anyone was not a vampire they nothing either like Lucian and his Lycans and Hybrids like Michael Corvin and his daughter Eve Corvin. While hardly showed any sorrow to anyone aside from Sonja and Selene. Michael showed sorrow for anyone no matter what race they are. Like how he showed Lucian sympathy about Sonja despite after Lucian biting and kidnapping him. So in my opinion Victor was the true abomination while Michael Corvin was the pure one.

      OK, but I think Viktor was like that even in his mortal life. If anything, Viktor effectively gave up his humanity even before he was turned.

      He was a ruthless warlord during his human days, which means he abused his power irresponsibly even then. After the turning, it only gave him the mentality that this implied he could do whatever the hell he wanted INDEFINITELY.

      Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. The longer you live, the greater the chance of your sins catching up to you.

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    • Yeah Viktor didn't understand that. He didn't understand that just because he became a vampire, it didn't make him a god.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Yeah Viktor didn't understand that. He didn't understand that just because he became a vampire, it didn't make him a god.

      Even gods can't escape punishment for their sins.

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    • Trust me, in real life, a lot of people still haven't learned that. Bottom line is that decisions come with consequences. Sure, they may not be noticable right away, but still.

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    • Psi-ragnarok wrote: Trust me, in real life, a lot of people still haven't learned that. Bottom line is that decisions come with consequences. Sure, they may not be noticable right away, but still.

      Like a certain country leader I have to deal with right now.

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    • Plenty of people are saying the same thing

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    • Yup.

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    • In the novelization of Rise of the Lycans, as the assault on the castle progressed at the end of the book, you could easily see how hypocritical the vampire elites got, as many began to pray again to a god they had discarded after they were turned.

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    • In the end, when some realize they're going to meet their maker, they end up doing that.

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    • Aggression25 wrote:
      In the end, when some realize they're going to meet their maker, they end up doing that.

      Which is ironic because after the transformation they thought they didn't need god anymore because they had cheated death, and the lycan assault on the castle proved this wasn't the case.

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    • What I meant was Victor being an abomination because he was a cruel and near selfish lord before his turning to down Marcus' title as the first vampire and killing inocent people without barley any remorse accept for Sonja. And Michael Corvin being the pure one because unlike Victor. Michael show kindess and sypathy towards people like Lucian and only killed in self defense and killed them because he had no choice like with Wiliam Corvinus unlike Victor who whips pepple to near death just because they broke one little rule and saving his daughter's life. That is why I think Victor is the true abomination while Michael Corvin is the pure one.

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    • 1.121.130.158 wrote: What I meant was Victor being an abomination because he was a cruel and near selfish lord before his turning to down Marcus' title as the first vampire and killing inocent people without barley any remorse accept for Sonja. And Michael Corvin being the pure one because unlike Victor. Michael show kindess and sypathy towards people like Lucian and only killed in self defense and killed them because he had no choice like with Wiliam Corvinus unlike Victor who whips pepple to near death just because they broke one little rule and saving his daughter's life. That is why I think Victor is the true abomination while Michael Corvin is the pure one.

      Michael killed the infected Cleaners because they were dangerous, the Lycan bodyguards of Tanis because they were in the way of getting to him and put Selene in danger, and William because he was also dangerous.

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    • Agression25 that is exactly my point. Victor would kill anyone for breaking the smallest rule. But Michael Corvin only killed all of those Werewolves because he had no other choice. Or else they were going to kill Selene. Who True Love and unknown to him is the mother of his born child and daughter. Eve Corvin.

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    • And I just realized an old fact of the film series: All of Michael’s victims were werewolves, not a single person was human or vampire.

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    • Yeah awhile back I said the exact same thing. He faced 2 Vampires (Victor and Tannis), queit a few humans ( the cops and the alpha squad in Evolution and Awakening) and one other Hybrid (Marcus Corvinus). But never killed them. They either got away or finnished off by someone else. I like the way you think my friend. But if my wish comes true and Scott Speedman returns as Michael Corvin for Underworld 6. Along with Lara Pulver as Semira because they said it's possible she is still alive. And have an epic fight where Semira outwitting Michael with her more experienced combat style. But then Michael grabs both of her hands and pushes her and beats the crap out of her like Thanos did to Hulk and ripping her head off.

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